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I started treating them with sulfur (homeopathy) a couple weeks ago. It didn’t help yet.

the vet said Ivermectim (liquid injection of a much stronger dose than the heartgard pill) and Revolution for my border collie mix (he’s getting a genetic test first today)

He also said I can try the white sulfur dip I got.

For a dog with a liver problem, does Revolution at high doses sound dangerous?

Vets don’t believe medicines will hurt..but obviously they do..it’s a pesticide.

But at this point, I hate waiting any longer for treatment and am tempted to just ask the vet to give him Revolution. His ears are bloody and hurt, he sleeps with his nose pressed on the floor because it’s too painful to lay on either ear.

Should I just have the Revolution or wait?? (the chances he has the gene are pretty low for border collies, like less than 3%. And yes I asked my vet this when he called me last night…and he said it was up to me.

Also someone on another dog group said that sarcoptic mange mites can cause liver problems. Since I guess the vets in my area don’t have much experience with sarcoptic mange, and my vet doesn’t know what is causing it, has anyone else heard of that before or had it happen? Thank you!!
sigh….vet appointment IS today in 3 hours…………..obviously vets aren’t taking care of my dogs proactively and leaving all the decisions up to me because they have NO CLUE what my dogs problems are! I would LOVE to just leave it in my vets hands..

My question is should I just use the Revolution for my dog, or will it hurt his already problem liver which the vets have no idea why his liver has a problem to begin with.
I didn’t try the white sulfur yet..it comes in tomorrow
I actually like this vet:) I just wish he wasn’t leaving decisions up to me because he doesn’t know what is best or what’s wrong anyway. this is 3rd vet
Alesi, I’m having bloodwork sent to Dr. jean Dodds today when I go to the vets, her lab is supposed to be good at reading blood I asked the vet what he thinks he said it’s possible there was a mistake with the lab he used…

I’d start the revolution in a heart beat. You can have him checked for the MDR1 gene through WSU. However, we have used this drug on many border collie, ausssie and other herding breeds and sight hounds with very few issues.

The decision is ultimately the owner’s in medical issues.

Dr. Dodds does not test for the mdr1 gene to my knowledge.

Well my vet won’t treat it until the slide results come back in 2 weeks.

My dogs are itching constantly and their hair is falling out on their ears and backs of their front legs. They are also itching their chest. Their skin is scaley.

I don’t want to wait 2 weeks to treat them so I’m trying home remedies in the meantime. I’m already using gentian violet (antifungal) and put vitamin E liquid on the scaley skin, but so far it’s not helping.

More about Sarcoptic Mange

Please any suggestions because I am tempted to just go to another vet but my current vet said the reason he doens’t just want to treat it is because the medicine is harsh and he wants to be sure it’s sarcoptic mange or another fungal infection.

Thank you for ANY help
When he first checked the skin scrape right after he did it, he said all he saw was normal skin bacteria (staph i think) but then a few days later he said the slide changed colors and was fungal..i don’t understand why he can’t take a hair sand check for mites or something! and Ms. Manners…Im not sure..on my heels there are little bumps that look like poison ivy or mosquitoe bites but I do go walking through woods and fields so it could really be poison ivy. it itches but not terrible like my dogs are itching.
and my dogs don’t have little bumps, theirs is just like really scaley scabby skin and hair loss
my dog is a border collie mix
thank you for the link Jessie. ok if my vet doesn’t call me back by today (i called friday) i’ll see a new vet because I really think this is what it is..and if the treatment won’t hurt them i think that’s better than letting them scratch themselves raw, it just looks so uncomfortable for them
He hasn’t returned my call…I think he’s mad that I never picked up the antibiotics for my other dog, but i don’t want her on them if there’s no bacteria infection.

If it is sarcoptic mange, you are dealing with a mite, and there is no effective home treatment.

I know itching dogs are driving you nuts, but wait for his diagnosis. Is this sarcoptic mange?
(I dont know why it would take 2 weeks to diagnose sarcoptic mange….maybe they have to culture the fungus to eliminate that possibility).

Are you seeing any bites on you?
I know my mother was bitten by the mites when her dogs had sarcoptic mange.
That would be a clear indication that you are dealing with sarcoptic mange.
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The mites can be very hard to see, even with a skin scraping.
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Does anyone recognize thisskin problem, on my dogs ears that are itchy, there’s hair loss and it’s scaley and very dry, pink color and scabs, and in one area on his ear (outer flap side) it’s grey.like a grey patch.

The backs of his front legs have hair loss and scabbed and bleeding..very dry scales again.

His stomach has small round un-raised red spots that are VERY itchy..there’s about 4 i found on his stomach..his stomach is not scaley or dry though.

He has been to vets. But seriously if this sounds like sarcoptic mange, I’m just going to get themedicine myself and treat it because no vet is considerng it and no other medicine is helping. He’s miserable and lethargic. I can’t treat him with revolution though because he’s part collie breed..if this sounds like sarcoptic mange..does anyone know what else besides reolution that is ok for border collies? thank you.
my mom went away on vacation with my aunt…and took my camera. I have an older pic
this was 2 weeks ago i think

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm186/shelteranimalsrule/031.jpg

I’ll try getting a pic with my cell phone cam
my cells cam is not good.
this is the spot on his belly

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm186/shelteranimalsrule/hspotbelly.jpg

the spot looks more red than in the pic.

this is is his ear

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm186/shelteranimalsrule/hear.jpg

that grey in the middle isn’t hair, that’s his skin
AH THERE ***IS** A SMELL!!!!
it says a smell for sarcoptic mange.
although i think his stomach looks more like ringworm…
but this smell..is sort of like mold
wait that’s fungal then isn’t it.
i hope the test results will be in tomorrow.
what I read here though

http://www.canismajor.com/dog/mange1.html

about sarcoptic mange sounds exactly what is going on though..
i’ve only read Ivermectin to treat it, not interceptor…..
WAIT one site says interceptor does treat sarcoptic mange…OMG I AM giving my dogs the interceptor tonight then.
oh no. their interceptor expired 9/2009…
I read this
“Newer treatments include Interceptor, also used as a heartworm preventative, administered daily…it has to be continued for three months. ”
so i guess i have to ask a vet anyway because i don’t know if i’m supposed to give a heartworm pill every day for 3 months that doesn’t sound right.

Still no results on the fungal infection? It really sounds like Ring worm to me…

I know you already did a skin scraping to rule out the Mange though – And then they decided it was Fungal, not mange, am I right?

The odds of both of your dogs having sarcoptic mange is very slim.

Can you post pics of your dogs problems areas?

Here is something that helped me learn about S-Mange:

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_sarcoptic_mange.html

The scabs on the ears could also be eczema.

***EDIT: Mitaban dips are VERY TOXIC!

**EDIT: Yes, I wasn’t trying to be rude, so sorry! Yes they are VERY toxic and almost NEVER used. I wanted to point that out because she is more of a “homeopathic” dog owner if you’ve read her other questions

Those dips are NASTY and only for extreme EXTREME cases.

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Found another great resource. It has info on Mange, and Ring Worm like I had suggested earlier…

http://www.old-dog-treats-and-rawhide.com/dog-skin-disorders.html

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