Sarcoptic Mange

So today is the day my mom wants to get rid of my cats.
The landlord comes into town next week and we aren’t suppose to have them and they want to move back into their house soon.

I am so pissed off.
I’ve been crying.
And heartache is real and it hurts, I kid you not.
I don’t even want to look at the effing dog either, I hate that dog so much. When he was a puppy he had giardia, sarcoptic mange, and slew of other problems and my mom kept him, he’s pissed and crapped on the carpet and my mom has kept him, he nearly attacked me and my mom kept him.
Now, he gets to stay and my cats have to go and its hard because he is an adorable dog too and I feel like such a jerk for hating him.

Should I spend time with the cats or stay away, which will be harder on me in the end?
She couldn’t have picked a worse day to do this, I have to study today for an exam over CRS, my states laws.

What should I do?
Right, she HAS to get rid of them TODAY. Today is the lastest she can do it.
I can’t simply get an apartment or find somewhere else to live today.
She has a choice. We are moving anyways, we COULD keep them.

I’m very sorry about your cats, but it’s time to move on. It’s sad, yes, but your life will go on, and when you get your own place, you can get as many cats as you like. It sounds like your mother doesn’t have a choice in the matter, so it’s not really her fault.

My dog has contracted sarcoptic mange from fox faeces and i am 5 weeks pregnant i have been told that humans can get it but can it affect my unborn baby? I am booked in at the docs later.

It is incredibly unusual for sarcoptic mange to transmit from canine to humans. Even if you did get it, the mites can only travel from skin to skin, so as long as it’s in utero it wouldn’t be affected. The only risk is if you have it when giving birth. At 5 weeks pregnant your pooch should be healthy and cured well before you give birth, so you have nothing to worry about. Just make sure you give him/her the best veterinary care possible to get him/her back to normal and you should have a healthy fur-baby as well as a healthy 2-legger.

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We have been adopted by a stray who is residing in our front yard and on our front porch. We feed him & give him water and have been attempting for seven days to get him into our car to get him to the vet. He appears to have mange (sarcoptic) on his ears.

Because of this, we do not want him to interact with our dogs in any way. Our dogs do not go in our front yard or go through our front door. When they leave the house, they are always loaded into our van in the garage and then we leave.

Are our dogs are risk for getting mange from this dog simply hanging around our front yard and front door? Can the mange mites come through our front door when we open the door or am I being overly paranoid?

We’re doing our best to get him calm enough to get him to the vet for treatment. However, until that occurs, he’s basically decided he’s camping out in our yard.
Call my vet for….??

I’ve had five appointments I’ve had to cancel because I can’t get him in the car to get him to the vet. They won’t diagnose over the phone and will not give medication over the phone, so the vet isn’t a help to me for this.
Without being a vet myself and actually doing a skin scraping, I’ve had a lot of experience with mange. I had two chows who had dermadectic mange all of their lives because of their wrinkly skin and moistness around their mouths. They always had cream put on them but it wasn’t totally contagious.

I’ve had 1 dog with sarcoptic mange, and it started on her ears and looks exactly like this: No hair AT ALL on his ears. The skin is thickened, leathery looking, and bumpy. It looks worse at the tip and gets better as it goes up. It usually starts at the tip and spreads upward on the ear and then to the rest of the body.

I’m just guess-timating, but I will not take a chance giving my dogs either mange, so I feel it necessary to keep them separated.

If he is a stray, seven days is not quite enough for him to trust you yet. Keep trying to get him to feel comfortable around you. This won’t work if you keep trying to shove him in a car (especially if he was once traumatized by one). Just be patient.
Or try calling your vet and explain the situation. Maybe they have some ideas; or maybe they might even be able to do a house call.
If it is demodontic or "red" mange, then you don’t need to be worried about it passing to your dogs. This type of mange is only transfered from mother to puppies. Actually all dogs have these mites- even healthy ones. The ones that lose fur have a concentrated amount in that particular area; or a weakened immune system allowing the mites to take over.
You should be more worried if it is sarcoptic mange. This type can be transfered- not only to your dogs- but to you yourself. This is another reason that I would definately try calling the vet again.

This video shows the answers to questions commonly asked at www.petsbestrx.com/EarMites . It also tells about pet immune boosters.

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http://www.scabiesnyc.org/ (212)-644-9494
Scabies is an infestation of the skin with the microscopic mite Sarcoptes scabei. Infestation is common, found worldwide, and affects people of all races and social classes. Scabies spreads rapidly under crowded conditions where there is frequent skin-to-skin contact between people, such as in hospitals, institutions, child-care facilities, and nursing homes.

What are the signs and symptoms of scabies infestation?

Pimple-like irritations, burrows or rash of the skin, especially the webbing between the fingers; the skin folds on the wrist, elbow, or knee; the penis, the breast, or shoulder blades. The scalp is not usually affected.
Intense itching, especially at night and over most of the body.
Sores on the body caused by scratching. These sores can sometimes become infected with bacteria.
How did I get scabies?

By direct, prolonged, skin-to-skin contact with a person already infested with scabies. Contact must be prolonged (a quick handshake or hug will usually not spread infestation). Infestation is easily spread to sexual partners and household members. Infestation may also occur by sharing clothing, towels, and bedding.

Who is at risk for severe infestation?

People with weakened immune systems and the elderly are at risk for a more severe form of scabies, called Norwegian or crusted scabies.

How long will mites live?

Once away from the human body, mites do not survive more than 48-72 hours. When living on a person, an adult female mite can live up to a month.

Did my pet spread scabies to me?

No. Pets become infested with a different kind of scabies mite. If your pet is infested with scabies (also called mange), and they have close contact with you, the mite can get under your skin and cause itching and skin irritation. However, the mite dies in a couple of days and does not reproduce. The mites may cause you to itch for several days, but you do not need to be treated with special medication to kill the mites. Until your pet is successfully treated, mites can continue to burrow into your skin and cause you to have symptoms.

How soon after infestation will symptoms begin?

For a person who has never been infested with scabies, symptoms may take 4-6 weeks to begin. For a person who has had scabies, symptoms appear within several days. You do not become immune to an infestation.

How is scabies infestation diagnosed?

Diagnosis is most commonly made by looking at the burrows or rash. A skin scraping may be taken to look for mites, eggs, or mite fecal matter to confirm the diagnosis. If a skin scraping or biopsy is taken and returns negative, it is possible that you may still be infested. Typically, there are fewer than 10 mites on the entire body of an infested person; this makes it easy for an infestation to be missed.

Can scabies be treated?

Yes. Several lotions are available to treat scabies. Always follow the directions provided by your physician or the directions on the package insert. Apply lotion to a clean body from the neck down to the toes and left overnight (8 hours). After 8 hours, take a bath or shower to wash off the lotion. Put on clean clothes.

All clothes, bedding, and towels used by the infested person 2 days before treatment should be washed in hot water; dry in a hot dryer.

A second treatment of the body with the same lotion may be necessary 7-10 days later. Pregnant women and children are often treated with milder scabies medications.

Who should be treated for scabies?

Anyone who is diagnosed with scabies, as well as his or her sexual partners and people who have close, prolonged contact to the infested person, should also be treated. If your health care provider has instructed family members to be treated, everyone should receive treatment at the same time to prevent reinfestation.

How soon after treatment will I feel better?

Itching may continue for 2-3 weeks, and does not mean that you are still infested. Your health care provider may prescribe additional medication to relieve itching if it is severe. You will know that the medication has been effective if no new burrows or rashes should appear 24-48 hours after effective treatment.

A rash may persist even if all the mites are effectively killed. This may be due to a dermatitis, or inflammation of the layers of the skin. In these cases, a mild topical steroid may be recommended.

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I thought my itchy bottom was hemorrhoids. Then I noticed the family itching. Three weeks had gone by when I called the Doctor. She called in meds which cost about $40 for two treatments, one week apart. The itching improved, but didn’t go away. I got two more treatments this time over the counter ($20), 1 week apart. We still have itchy bottoms, a total of about 2 months. The doctor said it could be strep. But I don’t think that is possible since none of us has had strep throat. I wash towels every day, change underwear twice a day, vacuum weekly and sheets once a week. I tried looking with a flash light on my daughter and didn’t see any worms. Is it possible that the meds is not working or could this be something else? We also have a high efficiency washing machine. Could the machine not be cleaning the sheets? My husband doesn’t want to spend any more money or go to the doctor.

We also got a rescue dog that has had skin issues. The vet said that dogs and cats don’t get pin worms. He was tested for sarcoptic mange, but came up negative.

Ok, this is gross, but if it were pinworms, you can see little worms either around your rectum or when you deficate.

Mite infections on humans are self-limiting (ie they go away on their own) as the mite is not able to complete its life cycle on the "wrong" host. The condition is extremely itchy, though, while it lasts. The mites are most active where skin is warm (in bed and where clothing is snug).

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_sarcoptic_mange.html

and go here:

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?articleid=764

Hi so I thought I would re post this as I left details out etc…

So recently my friends girl had puppy’s (a cross breed litter of 6 4x black and 2x mixed color’s) and the b@tch got really ill and had to go for a op so was taken away from the pups from the start (she was with them for the first 2 hours) then had to have the op and was then put back with the pups once she was home, as all pups they had a weak immune system and so did mum (my friend then being a complete and utter idiot let a dog who had demodex mange around the mum and pups, the vet told her that she can carry the mange and ‘pass’ on the mange to the pups and mum as their immune systems where weak so she had to use and anti bacterial gel every time before handling the pups!).
After 3 weeks she took the pups for another check up and the vets noticed that they had little bald spots and done skin scrapings on every pup and it was diagnosed as demodex mange so she was treating it with advocate and it appeared to be working but obviously it is an ongoing treatment (other than the mange the puppy’s where in healthy condition putting on weight very well etc etc, so before anyone says they must have been left in appalling conditions to get this mange they were not they were in good condition and she has vet recs to prove so!), she then advertised the puppy’s for free but told everyone who inquired about them that they have the demodex mange but it is treatable with advocate from the vet (she explained that the vet would have to either do another skin scraping or would just visibly see that the puppy needed to have more of the treatment).

Recently she received an email of one of the people who took two of the puppy’s (one for her one for her friend) saying the puppy’s had sarcoptic mange…email shown below

‘i have had the worst 72 hours of my life….

my hairy dog fell in a lake and ended up coasting me £400 at the same time i mention to my vet about puppy itching… and pointed out a rash on my arm…. he then points out that its mange…

so not only have i had to treat her my 2… my rats.. and me…. the vet bill is now 650…. you promised me that she didn’t have mange and that it was just the black ones…. and its sarcoptic mange not the one you said it was….

my friend is fuming as well.. i feel upset that you didn’t tell me from the start…

i could of treated her alot earlier to of saved pain and discomfort…. and also my animals… and myself as its more time of work for me….

she has been treated with advocate and has 6 months worth and so are mine my rats are not in a good way as there old…

i am still unsure as to what i am going to do about this situation…..

i am hoping that me telling you that me you and my friend can come to some sort of arrangement…..’

the thing is she told everyone that the puppy’s had demodex mange, she said it was clearly visible on the black puppy’s BUT she couldn’t see it on the mix colored puppy’s but that didn’t mean they didn’t have the mange and she should go to the vet and get them checked telling the vet that the puppy’s had/have demodex mange. This woman is now expecting my friend to pay for her dog falling in the lake and the treatment for her other dogs and animals (and this wwoman’sfriend is expecting my friend to pay for all the animals in her house as well), but they where told that the puppy’s COULD still have the demodex mange and should be checked by the vet and even told them what treatment to use.
I didn’t think that sarcoptic mange could be treated by advocate?

Is my friend in any fault? as she did tell the people from the start that there is still a good chance that the puppy’s have demodex mange as they where diagnosed with it from the start and where being treated with it. Shouldn’t they have taken the puppy’s to the vet and got them checked out anyway?!
Also how could the puppy’s have developed sarcoptic mange if they where diagnosed with demodex mange? none of the other puppy’s have sarcoptic mange they all have demodex mange?!
She was willing to pay for the puppy’s treatment but only if they where brought back to her as the new owners hadn’t taken the puppy’s to the vet until a week later. None of the other puppy’s given away have the sarcoptic mange only these 2 which makes no sense!

She has told the women that she is willing to pay for the puppy’s treatment if they are brought back to her but she is not willing to pay for the other animals treatment as it is the people’s fault as they did not take the puppy’s to the vet (like any normal people would!)
anne b: i said above why i deleted the question!!! the puppy’s didn’t have sarcoptic mange before going to new homes they had demodex mites which was being treated just needed on going treatment, she explained this to everyone and people where still happy enough to take the puppy’s so she was not scamming anyone or anything as they where FREE!!!
Why should she have to pay for other animals catching this mange when while the puppy’s where in her care they never had it?! vet records can prove they never sarcoptic mange that they had demodex mites and none of the other puppy’s that where given away had sarcoptic mange they have demodex mites.

Going with your questions at the end here:

1. I didn’t think that sarcoptic mange could be treated by advocate?

-No, it can’t be.

2. Is my friend in any fault?

-Hard to say.

Demodectic mange would be the mange a vet would suspect in young, indoor-raised puppies with an unhealthy dam, absolutely. That’s what she was told by HER vet was going on, and she dutifully treated for it and informed puppy buyers.

The issue is whether demodectic mange was the right diagnosis. Dogs with sarcoptic mange tend to scratch uncontrollably, so even though is very hard to diagnose with skin scrapings, chronically itchy puppies should have suggested to your friend and her vet that sarcoptic mange was potentially the issue. Skin scrapings fail to find sarcoptic mange mites AT LEAST half the time, and treating for it–the maybe mange test- is often necessary to properly diagnose sarcoptic mange.

The OTHER possibility is that the pup got sarcoptic mange after going to the new home.

3. Shouldn’t they have taken the puppy’s to the vet and got them checked out anyway?!

-Yes, absolutely, within 24-48 hours of bringing the pups home. Your friend should have required this in her contracts.

4.Also how could the puppy’s have developed sarcoptic mange if they where diagnosed with demodex mange? none of the other puppy’s have sarcoptic mange they all have demodex mange?!

They could have gotten sarcoptic mange by being around another animal with sarcoptic mange. It spreads quite easily from one dog to the next, from racoons, foxes, etc.

Yes, they can actually get both.

Are you 100% SURE the other puppies don’t have sarcoptic mange? If you are, then this one puppy got it after he went home.

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_sarcoptic_mange.html

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/demodectic_mange.html

ETA: Contrary to what another poster said, humans CAN get sarcoptic mange, although it’s a self-limiting infection in humans as the mites can’t reproduce on humans.

ETA: My dog had sarcoptic mange when I adopted her from the shelter. She had been in a foster home (as were all their pups) and the shelter didn’t know about the mange.

Because i took her to the vet w/in 24 hours, I had no problem at all getting the shelter to reimburse me for the costs of treatment.

My dog was one on which the scrapings didn’t find the mites, although she couldn’t even eat without stopping to scratch herself, so we began a series of ivermectin injections that cleared it. (The so-called "Maybe Mange" test.)

She had been living mainly outdoors with the foster family’s other dogs, so we’re pretty sure it came from foxes and ALL their dogs also needed treatment because it’s so contagious!

my dog has lost most of his hair along his back and tail and his ears smell. It is not sarcoptic mange and he is the only dog with this. He has had chronic ear infections and has a routine ear med. It seems to be like atopic dermatitis and he seems better with benadryl, he is also 13 yrs old. My vet has said I can use aloe vera juice after bathing him in cool water, as well as Bergamot, lavender, and almond oils to sooth & reduce inflamation & odor. Vet is 100 + miles away so I have to do symptom care until July 15th when vet returns.

I used Google and searched for photos of dog’s with yeast infection on the back looks like and this is what Google found :

http://www.greatdanelady.com/Images/1month%20on%20program%20-%20midge.jpg

http://www.dogwhimsy.com/westie_skin_problems.htm

http://clipndip.com/blog/?p=106

http://www.fleetfiretimbers.com/FFT/Articles/SadiesYeastInfectionHowweovercameMalasseziaPachydermatitis.htm

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1557&aid=321

And if you want to compare, see if something else fits his symptoms,

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2111&aid=421

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2111&aid=427

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1593&aid=422

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2111&aid=425

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